Amanda Jogia is the CEO of PrimeAlpha, a leading technology platform for connecting alternative asset managers and allocators based on both quantitative and qualitative factors.
How I met Amanda is a funny story…
I was on a train to NYC [pre-pandemic] and I saw this woman and her husband at this table. I was in a talkative mood, so I struck up a conversation. She was in the venture space, former Director of Finance at Tory Burch, and had a strategic mind. I did my best to speak “finance” with her, which I clearly could have used some more domain expertise in, yet still somehow befriended her.
Amanda is someone who has had more impact on our business than she realizes. After the train ride, we spoke, and she helped me construct a financial modeling for 3 years out.
- The unconventional path isn’t always a bad one…
- Survival, adaptability, the hustle all fit together
- If you are going to go and shoot for one star, you might as well shoot for the best
Bryan Wish: [00:00:02] Amanda, welcome to the One Away Show.
Amanda Jogia: [00:00:06] Thank you for having me. Very excited to be here.
Bryan Wish: [00:00:09] Yeah, very thrilled to have you here. For those that don’t know, Amanda played a very significant role in our business at the beginning of the year with just some simple financial things I would have never thought to do. And met her on a train in New York, just stalked her and her husband down and just started talking to them and then befriended them and said, here’s my car, the stock. So anyway, I mean, it’s so cool to have you here. You’ve been such an influence. And I would love for you to share your one away moment that you want to tell us about today.
Amanda Jogia: [00:00:43] Ok cool. So I’m going to make this a little bit more personal. And I would say it’s a story shared with you, Bryan, a while back. So I am an immigrant to the US. I came here when I was in elementary school and I think my one away moment and where and it’s really funny because my dad, my dad, you find out later in life, he’s like, you know, I have two daughters and my goal is to raise two strong women. And I was like, wow, that’s incredible for an Asian man growing up in Korea. You know, it’s very misogynistic culture. Right. Especially back in the day. And so that was his goal. So my story — I think I was in fourth or fifth grade and I had missed the school bus. And so I called my dad to come and pick me up and take me to school. And he said I’m not coming to pick you up. Go walk.
Now, mind you, the school is about three miles away on a major road. And so I was like, no. I just remember crying and not taking that walk to school. So my dad came home. He had very long shifts, came back home. I don’t remember maybe seven o’clock at night. And he asked, “did you go to school?” I said, “no,” and he said, “ok, well, put on your shoes and we’re going now.” So we walked to school and back we walked six miles and he’s like, you’ll never miss another day of school again. Well, it’s an incredible story of really, you know, showing that you know, you got to figure out how to find a solution, you know, don’t let anything get you down. You’ve got to survive and you got to figure out how to survive on your own. I was like, that’s crazy. I mean, you couldn’t do that today.
Bryan Wish: [00:02:58] Yeah, you know what I mean. Amanda, I think one lesson that your dad taught you from a young age stuck with you to this day. For those that don’t know your dad, which no one who was listening probably does right now or in our audience. Tell us about your dad, the father. You know how he raised you.
Amanda Jogia: [00:03:23] Right.
Bryan Wish: [00:03:23] Just tell us the kind of demand he was for him to teach you a lesson like that at such a young age.
Amanda Jogia: [00:03:32] I have to tell you, he taught me about survival, adaptability, the hustle, which you kind of need to have. You know, if if you want to be an entrepreneur, you’ve got to learn to hustle. Right. And so he came to America with my mother, two young daughters, basically no money at all, and he figured out a way to survive, which is just I mean, I know there’s a thousand you know, there’s tens of thousands of these stories out there. But I mean, I’m like, I don’t know if I could do it, you know, like asking yourself, like, holy smokes, can I go to a new country? I don’t know the language. I have no money and have two babies. What do I do?
Bryan Wish: [00:04:23] Wow. Yeah, I can imagine the fear that he must have had this. Did he ever talk about that? There is just like what you did and you guys never really talked about it.
Amanda Jogia: [00:04:34] You know, I have to say, I think fear is, I think one of the most interesting things, because I think like an entrepreneur, as a business person, fear can get in the way. Right. And I think people don’t try because they talk themselves out of it. And there’s always a little bit of element of fear that might come into play, especially if you’re younger. Right. And sometimes you don’t have the option of fear. Right. Really interesting. Like, when you have no options, you just have to move forward. It’s like a shark. You can’t stop. You’ve got to keep moving forward. Right. Otherwise, you die. So you don’t have that option. Like, you got to be brave. And in the face of fear, you have to continue.
Bryan Wish: [00:05:25] There you go. Well, he clearly passed on to you and he showed you.
Amanda Jogia: [00:05:33] Oh, yeah.
Bryan Wish: [00:05:33] When you wanted to emulate, to say the least. Amanda, maybe take us back to that moment he taught you walking from school. What was going through your head at the time, I mean, what were you thinking about trying to think about myself as a kid and like my dad doing that with me. So I’m just curious what you remember from that and what’s calling you right now.
Amanda Jogia: [00:06:01] You know, I’ll be honest, I don’t think I was thinking too much thinking, oh, my God, this is dark and it’s very late. But I think, you know, I think any experience, even subconsciously, has an impact on how you think and do things right. And so from that moment on, I was like, ok, I got to I mean, it’s a harsh lesson you did, but it’s like I got to learn to survive on my own. And so as a female Asian minority. Right. You got to learn to survive. Right. It’s a very different mentality. Right. When you have everything you have, you have to make it. Nothing is given to you.
Bryan Wish: [00:06:54] Right. So, Amanda, for you from this to say. You could have probably gone the other way, I mean, in a sense that maybe you wouldn’t have had the ambition, but you saw growing up, hey, I need to survive. I need to kind of go out and do things on my own. And I have this weight maybe against me that the average person who was just born in the US and it doesn’t have the balls I face, they don’t have those blockers. So for you, what I’m curious about is how did that transpire, those elements came into your life as you were growing up and your career? And where did that hell that molded you into the person you are today?
Amanda Jogia: [00:07:45] There’s a really good question, I have to say, you know, I picked up a path that is. Kind of nonconventional, right? I went to business school undergrad in the 90s, I went to Wharton, you know, with. People who are more prepared than I was, you know, a bunch of private school kids, a lot of Exeter, Andover, and all that stuff. Right. Very connected. Right. So I picked a field that I didn’t know much about and put myself in a group of people that I didn’t know in a world that I didn’t know much about either.
But I just observed, you know, and thought about it and survived and hustled and I. I think just adapting to like when you go into investment banking and you’re in a world where no one looks like you. Very few females and very few female Asians. You learn to survive and adapt and figure out how to move forward. And in the face of fear, because you fear that no one is like you. Right. And how to do well in that environment because you will work harder than everyone else. And if you work harder and put yourself out there, you will find success eventually, not always.
Bryan Wish: [00:09:20] And going back to the point that you made about coming into an MBA program with people having more connections, be better equipped educationally, what made you want to go get an MBA in the first place? I mean, do you think it would give you a better chance in our future? I mean, I think higher education is in such a, you know, beyond the top-tier schools. But for you, what was it like? I got to go get an MBA.
Amanda Jogia: [00:09:47] So, Bryan, just to clarify, I went in as an undergrad. Oh. So I was 17, 18 years old. And this is a really interesting story because I applied to Penn more and specifically the Warren program without knowing what I was applying for. I said, ok if I’m going to go and shoot for one star, I might as well shoot for the best. So I just went and looked it up in a book and said, what’s the number one school? And I just called them and got the application. This is before it was all in line. You could call them and I applied to a school I did not know anything about. But if I said if I’m going to do this, I might as well go to the best one.
Bryan Wish: [00:10:29] Wow.
Amanda Jogia: [00:10:30] So. So I wasn’t even in my 20s. I was. In my teens and I and, you know, again, maybe I was fearless because I didn’t know what I was doing right. That ignorance is sometimes bliss, right? Because I’m sure there’s plenty of people who would have been psyching themselves out to not even apply because they’re like, oh, I’m not going to get it right. But I applied to school. I didn’t even know what I was applying for. I said, you know what? If I’m going to do it, I might as well do the best one. Yeah. And then your whole life changes after that.
Bryan Wish: [00:11:06] Absolutely. And just before college I was growing up for you. Was education the kind of way out with your parents just from traditional cultural norms? And it was that thing that was a huge priority? I mean, was that pushed upon you at a young age? I’m just curious.
Amanda Jogia: [00:11:27] I think, yeah, there are two things which I’m learning because now I have a son, right? So I’m learning. I’m learning more about myself raising another human being, which I thought was interesting. So one education is not easy. It’s just an expectation. Like it’s not like you have an option, right. You’re going to do all the school. Like there’s no option to it. But when you strive to go to school like an Ivy League school, it’s very different because you have to be an all-around person. You can’t just have straight A’s. And to get into Penn like it’s just not that’s not what they’re looking for. They’re looking for someone interesting and involved. And so, you know, without knowing what an Ivy League school was in high school, I was involved in everything because I had such an interest in things just like my son does.
Like him, he has an interest in history as an interest in agriculture. He has an interest in, you know, all these things. Right. I had the same thing. So I was extremely involved in a lot of things outside of school. You know, the extracurricular that allowed me to get into Penn because I may be a well-rounded person, but I think you have to be genuine. Does that make sense, though?
Bryan Wish: [00:12:50] It does make sense. And I think it makes more sense to me right now only because this idea of being well-rounded is something I think I always struggled with growing up because I lived in such a tunnel of I want to go below my path or my professional future. But I came at the expense of actually a lot of other things I wasn’t aware of. So I think that just even with your son or how you grew up, being interesting, being more well-rounded than just a GPA in this context, I think is critical. I think my maybe privilege of just how I grew up there forced me to kind of have to see the world outside of myself. So for you and what you’re saying, I can resonate. It sounds like maybe that was our earlier priority or investment on your part where it wasn’t all about the GPA, although you did do very well in school.
Amanda Jogia: [00:13:51] Yeah, I think the genuineness comes out like, you know, like you and I connected on an Amtrak train because I have this thing about I love mentoring young people, you know, and in high school, I volunteered all through high school reading to elementary school kids just because I wanted to do it. It wasn’t like I wanted it to get into college. Right. It was like I didn’t know you had to do that to get into college, but I just did it because I have a love and interest in doing that kind of stuff.
Bryan Wish: [00:14:22] Yeah, it makes total sense. I mean, I think just to validate you following that curiosity and interest in things, that’s a great quality to have. And I thought I thought on the Amtrak train, he thought I was just like, who is this crazy, crazy guy? Just trying to up the conversation with me and my husband. So anyway, thanks for giving me the time of day. So let’s just dive into college. Like when you went to college, Amanda, did you know you were going to be in the finance and investment banking side of things? How did that unravel?
Amanda Jogia: [00:15:04] You know, I, I think it’s I mean, I picked a school and a program that’s very tailored. So you kind of know, you’re in that world. So it’s like the end. And so it’s a business school, Wharton undergrad. So you’re kind of picking a profession within the business world. Yeah.
Bryan Wish: [00:15:25] Do you think it was with just the stability that comes from that type of field if you can get into it? I think that was linked to maybe any. Learning that you need to survive growing up and by going down this path, that we can create more safety, is there any of those thoughts? Maybe.
Amanda Jogia: [00:15:44] That’s so funny. You say that. So I ended up picking a major that was very safe. I became an accountant first, so I went and worked for one of the big, big firms because I always said, oh, I’m always going to have a job being able to do that. And then having then entered that field after two to three years, I left and went into banking because it wasn’t enough for me at the time. I wanted to do something else. So it was an I don’t know what you call it, but it was a period where I learned, like, you know, you could take more risk.
Bryan Wish: [00:16:27] Yeah, I found that interesting, because you know, where I went to college at University of Georgia and I hung out with a very interesting friend group dynamic and I think. There are a group of friends who I think growing up in a similarity where they had to fight and survive for a lot of the things, nothing was taken for granted and. And I realize this may sound like one of my other friends in that group, I think grew up where we saw family members take a little more risk, but so wanted to do things a little differently and.
The people who had to fight and scrap were a bit more kind of picked a safer route and for the security of it, which made me ask that question where I thought maybe growing up, the security of the comfort of that and say, why not try something riskier and harder for you, I think is a really interesting dichotomy in how you grow up and think how your formative years in childhood in high school dictate the path that you pick in college and then your career. So thanks for giving us the detail of how it all unfolded.
Amanda Jogia: [00:17:42] Yeah. It’s the experiences and also your personality.
Bryan Wish: [00:17:47] Go. Yeah. Amanda also, I think would be interesting. What were you like as a kid and what and how much do you think that was nature and how much you think it was nurtured in the way in which your parents shaped you?
Amanda Jogia: [00:18:03] That’s OK, that’s interesting, you know, pretty quiet, shy kid, but inquisitive, you know, and I think. You know, there are certain things I didn’t get the benefit of that I see my son had benefits of, right. So, for example, I grew up with two parents whose English is, for me, English as a second language. My mom still doesn’t speak English. And so, you know, I didn’t have that kind of mentoring component to it in a different sense than, values and things like that. Right. Like that. They can teach me about that. But they couldn’t teach me about social aspects. You know, like how do you act at a dinner party, how do you act in a social gathering? Right, things like that business meeting, like my son’s been to dinners with, like, super important people. And he’s nine right now. And he could hold his own.
Bryan Wish: [00:19:11] Right. Right.
Amanda Jogia: [00:19:12] I mean, this is like serious skill sets that I wish I had, you know, that I had to learn much later on.
Bryan Wish: [00:19:21] And because of that, with your kids and I kind of like kind of dive into what you’ve done, you survived in your career a bit more, but with your son and family, I mean, are you finding yourself making it a priority to teach him some of these skills earlier that maybe you didn’t have growing up, which is reflected upon.
Amanda Jogia: [00:19:43] No, not really. It just naturally happens. I mean, we’ve been living in New York, I mean, until recently. But when you live in New York, I mean, you’re raising a different kind of kid, that much more sophisticated kid who’s around a lot of adults using big words and and and they learn to communicate with people differently. It’s fascinating.
Bryan Wish: [00:20:10] Sounds like my little sister, half-sister, who’s 11, she’s grown up with adults. And your son would be great friends. So is there a troubled child? Very smart. So let’s put some into that. What you learned from your dad, that lesson at school when you were a kid. I mean, it seems like that was a defining moment. It shaped you, taught you. So you have to survive in college and college. How has that transpired in your career? I know you’ve taken a much more entrepreneurial route these last six years and probably before that. You’ve always had a big entrepreneurial spirit. How has the progression of your path with this set of survival skills in mind kind of influenced you and your career and what you’ve gone into?
Amanda Jogia: [00:20:59] You know, I think it’s. I think I think, again, going back into, like, figuring out how to be successful in the environments that you’re put into, right. Like you missed the bus, how do you survive in that situation? Same thing. You know, hey, you became a banker, for example. How do you survive in an industry that wasn’t as welcoming as it is today? It should be even more welcoming or, you know, just being in a very male-dominated industry, whether it’s finance or tech, et cetera. Right.
I think that the survival component to it, you know, is really important. And, you know, unfortunately, we just have to work as women. We just have to work harder to prove ourselves, you know, like women. What’s that saying?Women get you to know, men get promoted on, you know, the fact that they can aspire to the new position. Women have to prove that they can do the position before they get it right. I don’t think that’s exactly the saying, but it’s the same theory. But it’s like you have to work harder, you know?
Bryan Wish: [00:22:22] You know, I see from a lot of my women friends who are in tech and entrepreneurial spaces, they all seem and this isn’t a projection, it’s just an observation. But they all seem to have this edge, this fiery edge, and a very positive way. Like it’s nothing that is I think I think there’s an edge, though, that they realize it’s similar to what you’re saying. Maybe the cards aren’t always stacked in their favor and they have to prove themselves to kind of get to where they want to go. And for you, you saw that in your career. I’m curious if there were any experiences as being a woman that you can kind of point to as direct observation, sort of links to the kind of what you’re saying and things where you had to go the extra mile in a certain area, you had to stand up for yourself. And in certain cases, just because of your background culturally and because of being a woman.
Amanda Jogia: [00:23:23] Yeah, I think that’s what it’s hard to pinpoint one thing. I mean, I could but it’s I think that’s where a longer discussion, quite frankly, you know, discrimination, sexism, all that stuff. Believe me, I’ve experienced it all. I think one fact or one stat that I think that I just came across is interesting. So we work with a fund that invests in women entrepreneurs. Right. And the stat is that only five percent of women entrepreneurs get funded. And then I spoke to another company that does this kind of A.I. driven and taking out kind of investments, but what they do is they take out things like gender.
So, when they looked at and decided on what they would invest in, that number goes up to 40 percent. Of the companies, women companies would be fun, God funded, but if you knew they were women founders, it was five. Wow, yeah. Yeah, so and it’s really interesting in both of these firms or out of San Francisco and, you know, it’s an A.I. company and then the other one is a venture fund. But it kind of gives you the full picture of, you know, of how hard it is.
Bryan Wish: [00:24:55] Totally and again, for you in the field that you’re in, the knowledge that you have, though, when you heard those stats, I mean, they were astonishing. I mean, that’s terrible.
Amanda Jogia: [00:25:07] It’s very hard. Yeah.
Bryan Wish: [00:25:09] And what do you see? I mean, I know there’s a lot of change right now with racial measures being taken. I know the rise of feminism is very strong right now and a lot of movements are being done. What do you see from your experiences and experience of others that you’ve witnessed that hasn’t been done or is being done? Does that need to have a louder microphone to it to help kind of even the playing field a little bit more?
Amanda Jogia: [00:25:44] You know, I look at it more as a gender lens than a race lens, because I know how hard it is from both sides. I would say for women, it’s harder to get mentors to get the kind of advocate is so much harder. And there’s a lot of factors. You know, I think everyone knows what they are like. You know, we’re not in the same social circles. We’re not doing the same like we might not be going to play golf or whatever it might be that creates those types of relationships. Right. But the lack of mentorship is quite real and it’s very hard to get. And I think that’s a big part of it, I think. Also.
Mentoring women earlier on and getting them the knowledge to know how to succeed is also really important. And I think that’s lacking. You know, there are groups out there that are trying, but it’s like you kind of have to go, you know, you’ve got to do it at the individual level because it does take that type of individual help because they need to learn how to pitch themselves, how to talk themselves, how to present themselves. You know, what are the organizations that are out there to help them? Right. So men, white men kind of talk to each other and they might converse and they help each other out. It’s not so much the same kind of environment for women, I think.
Bryan Wish: [00:27:33] What besides just the societal structures in place? What do you think are the barriers that are preventing that from making that maybe more fluid?
Amanda Jogia: [00:27:48] You know, I think there are so many factors, right, going back to fear, right. Maybe there’s a fear of trying. You know, they always talk about this analogy like, you know, if you walk into a conference room, women might not take a seat at the board table. They might sit on one of the outside chairs like, sure, you always take a seat at the table, right? So I think there are factors like that, and it could also be factors like not having enough information or not having support, or not having a mentor or not. So I think there are so many factors out there. Yeah, well. Yeah, got it.
Bryan Wish: [00:28:37] So something about you, Amanda, that I know and something I admire so much is on this mentorship topic is your ability to work with people and find young people. I know it’s a big part of what you do outside of your just day-to-day work. Tell us about that. Tell us about how you know, since you’re helping other people survive, give a little further on the path of life where you’re finding them, what you’re doing with them and just what you’ve seen out of it. I’m sure it’s extremely rewarding and I would love for you to share it.
Amanda Jogia: [00:29:09] It is. I find it very rewarding. When I started my company, PrimeAlpha, six years ago, one of the things I thought about is how do we create more awareness of alternative investments with young people and obviously would love to promote it and get more women in the industry. So, we created an internship summer program and then it turned into every semester around education and awareness.
We’ve had many, many classes of interns. It wasn’t even just and what it became as it wasn’t even just about like awareness of alternatives as an asset, as an investment. It was also like, OK, I’d like then I would take some time to think about like, oh, I could help them. So, you know, how do they pitch themselves, you know, because even the way people pitch themselves is so different. Right. And ah, are they aware of programs out there? Because it’s like, OK, you’re going to leave PrimeAlpha after these three months.
Then what? What’s the next step? Where do you want to be? What do you like to do? You know, I always say, let’s figure out what your superpower is and make sure you do something in that field within your superpower because you enjoy it. You love it. You’re good at it. He’s not even a kid anymore. But at the time he was a kid and he’s like, I completely changed my career path. And he’s like, I’m so much happier for it.
Bryan Wish: [00:30:49] Because of the work he did with you?
Amanda Jogia: [00:30:52] Yes, yeah. And he was pretty funny. So, you know, we’re still in touch and, you know, and things like that. But, um, but it’s like I said, finding out what you’re good at, I think is really important early on.
Bryan Wish: [00:31:06] Yeah. I kind of agree more with you. And I think it’s. Such an important skill to give more thought and intentionality to probably what you want to do a bit earlier because I think a lot of people go through their career blind and they hit this mid-life crisis.
Amanda Jogia: [00:31:29] By the way, I can’t tell you how many times I’m like, OK, what do you want to do? I want to do this. Why? And then it’s a blank,
Bryan Wish: [00:31:36] Right.
Amanda Jogia: [00:31:37] They can’t answer why.
Bryan Wish: [00:31:40] Well, all right, that’s the thing. I think there are limited thoughts that are given to really big life decisions. And it’s neat to see that you’re at the forefront of helping younger people. When people are interning with you, though, or you’re helping them. Do you have a set piece of curriculum that you’re taking them through or is it more organic and kind of an intuitive feel for where they’re at?
Amanda Jogia: [00:32:06] Yeah, actually, we have a whole training program like we created a whole video series to make them read a book we like. Yeah, we have a whole thing that we fund them through.
Bryan Wish: [00:32:17] You were the mastermind behind that I assume.
Amanda Jogia: [00:32:19] Of course.
Bryan Wish: [00:32:22] You make up from your own story. I mean, kind of surviving and kind of finding your way through and navigating. I mean, what do you think about developing that?
Amanda Jogia: [00:32:30] Oh, you know what? We created a whole training manual. You know, there’s one book that I thought was good about that. The alternative is I make them read it and then I do like one on one sessions. Like, I try to carve out like a few hours a week just to like I’m like half an hour with people and just kind of like throughout, just trying to guide them a little bit.
Bryan Wish: [00:32:58] Yeah, well, it’s neat with how busy you are, your own family life and all the things that you have made this a priority to mentor and help younger students, people who are interns and people who are interns have a significant impact in their life. So really neat to see. Amanda, I want to also touch on maybe your company, PrimeAlpha, that you have started and just, you know, maybe tell us a bit more about what you’re doing in the space and kind of your vision for the company.
Amanda Jogia: [00:33:33] Yeah, so I’ll try PrimeAlpha in the alternative investment space. And so hedge funds, private equity, private credit, venture funds, and we connect them with investors, family offices, institutional investors like pension plans, things, people like that. So we’re kind of like a LinkedIn meets eHarmony meets cap intro.
Bryan Wish: [00:34:01] Got it.
Amanda Jogia: [00:34:01] Groups of people. And so we’re where we consider ourselves an ecosystem. So it’s, you know, and we’re unbiased. So we have over a thousand fans on the platform, over nine hundred investor firms on the platform. We do a lot of education and thought leadership in space and kind of we think of ourselves as to how do we better connect people? And then the way we help is finding great products to invest in. And then also help fund managers connect with those investors.
Bryan Wish: [00:34:35] Yeah, well, it seems like it’s I mean, you found, I think, a neat way to kind of link technology with your passion for entrepreneurship and a passion for finance and baking and put it all under one roof in six years. Pretty good.
Amanda Jogia: [00:34:53] It is still very long and very, very short at the same time, every entrepreneur feels that way and also it can’t be fast enough.
Bryan Wish: [00:35:04] No, I mean, it’s been fun learning from you and learning about what you’re doing over the last year. I met you almost a year ago to date.
Amanda Jogia: [00:35:12] I know if it was COVID that we would never have met that.
Bryan Wish: [00:35:16] Right. So we just I mean, let’s I love asking this question towards the end of the calls or recordings when it’s all said and done, kind of when life is no more and people are talking about you, just the person that you were. What do you want them to say?
Amanda Jogia: [00:35:43] Oh, my gosh. I’m sure everyone said, my gosh when we say, you know, I think so. It’s not about so much about my career. In the end, I’m not going to care. I think it’s more about my friends and family.
Bryan Wish: [00:36:05] And what do you want your friends and family to say?
Amanda Jogia: [00:36:10] You know that I was funny and interesting. I think that’s appropriate and I enjoyed life. Yeah, that’s it, simple, the simple things in life.
Bryan Wish: [00:36:21] Tell us, you know, maybe we’ll do a far more rapid-fire here at the end. Tell us something interesting about yourself that, you know, you’re not just someone meeting. You want to know.
Amanda Jogia: [00:36:35] Something interesting about myself. You know, I have to be ok, when I was very, very young in Korea, we were very, very poor and I said, well, you know, I want to make sure I live a very unconventional life. I know the world is bigger than this. And boy, did the world give it to me. You know, and I do believe like what you think of yourself when you’re that young, you know, like, let’s say eight is kind of your sure self.
Bryan Wish: [00:37:15] Interesting, I heard a quote the other day from this woman and she said that people are there in their purest form in life around the age of 11.
Amanda Jogia: [00:37:28] I think eight. Why does she say that I’m very curious?
Bryan Wish: [00:37:33] Because it was before they get introduced to cell phones or technology, even though it’s happening at a faster rate now before they form their kind of high school type of relationships. And because they’re grown up enough to just kind of know what’s going on in the world, influence. I think it was deeper, just because I’m not picking up all the pieces, I just remember the age that she was talking about. I thought it was a really interesting observation.
Amanda Jogia: [00:38:08] Think, of what you were like at eight and what you are like at 11. And then you come back to me later on. Tell me what you think.
Bryan Wish: [00:38:14] I don’t remember much of my childhood at all. I just know I was a just train wreck for my parents to keep up with. I caused a lot of trouble. The same is true to this day. I think I just channeled more positively.
Amanda Jogia: [00:38:29] Use your powers for good, not evil.
Bryan Wish: [00:38:31] Amanda, this was great to speak with you about, learning your story, all the aspects that make you as someone, a young professional wanting to reach out to you or someone to reach out to inquire about how they get on your platform. Where do they find you?
Amanda Jogia: [00:38:49] They can email me directly. It’s firstname.lastname@example.org.
Bryan Wish: [00:38:51] Right to the personal inbox. That’s bold. Great. Well, thanks for being here, Amanda, and appreciate your time.
Amanda Jogia: [00:39:00] All right. Take care. Thank you.